What really bothers me about VisaJourney

is that they pull kind of a bait-and-switch, or a motte-and-bailey, or a double standard, or whatever.

Suppose you go there and say, “Women are bitches; they need to just be under men’s control.” They’ll say, “This is a visa advice site; take this rhetoric elsewhere.”

But if you bring up your relationship situation, in the context of how it affects immigration stuff, they’ll judge you for it, and say you’re the bad guy in the situation because you have a penis. Meanwhile, they’ll help any woman who shows up to their site wanting advice with her immigration situation. This could be American women who got romance scammed by sexy foreign men, or foreign women who married an American husband and now want to frivorce-rape him and get a green card. They will give her the benefit of the doubt, and assume she’s a poor, innocent victim of the patriarchy, while suspecting the motives of any man who comes there with a story of how he was manipulated and mistreated, at worst assuming he’s the bad guy, and at best mocking him for being a chump who let himself get taken advantage of.

So rhetoric is allowed, as long as it’s feminist rhetoric. But if a man wants to say antifeminist stuff, they consider that spam and will lock the thread.

That’s the motte and bailey. The motte is, “This is a visa advice site; other stuff (like antifeminist rhetoric) is off-topic and therefore spammy and won’t be tolerated.” The bailey is, “Here’s all this feminist doctrine and rhetoric that we let people express, that goes beyond what we’d have is this were only a visa advice site.”

It’s another case of “I don’t like him”.

What I was gonna tell Sarge

Is there really anything left to talk about? You pretty much know my stance on stuff.

I gave Zesto a site because I was trying to help a friend. I didn’t realize he was going to “go to war” with you and your team. I knew he had some grievances against you, but that’s pretty typical of banned users, especially since Incels.is tends to go out of its way to alienate them and play the victim after a ban is handed down. Anyway, most people who get banned don’t go to war with you, even if they may complain about how the situation was handled.

I didn’t realize he still had issues with NEET, or that knajjd was going to demand that NEET pick a side, which would cause NEET’s whole circle to have to join with him in doing that. In my view, that was an unnecessary escalation and provocation, but I guess knajjd figured Zesto wasn’t going to do anything about it.

One might say, guys like BP101, or Zesto, or others who become obsessed with the situation and won’t go away just have mental problems and can’t be placated, but in Zesto’s case, stuff happened that triggered him, which maybe could’ve been avoided. knajjd is not really known for his de-escalation skills; I guess he figures it works better to just take a hard line. Well, one can argue that each mod has their own moderation style that they’re comfortable with and that works for them, but I just wonder if it was really all that effective in this case.